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real estate developer's son. others described him as creepy and one viewer called him the real life version of the tom brady sketch but there was nothing deflating about this debate. >> he wanted casino gambling in florida. >> no, i didn't. >> yes, you did. >> thank you for joining us, ""ac 360"" starts right now. good evening, thanks for joining us. breaking news, donald trump making his first appearance since last night's cnn republican debate but all appearances and i emphasize appearances. he wrapped up a town hall q and a session in rodchester new hampshire, as you'll see the same personality. he says he likes winners judging but opening remarks he clearly thinks he himself is in that category. >> we had a little thing called the debate at the regan library
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and it was, it was sort of an amazing thing. we had an incredible time. thank you. thank you. that was some evening. i got such great -- look at this. we just wrote this down. "time magazine" do votes as to who won the debate last night, right? so "time magazine" 114,000 votes as of 6:00 p.m., trump 56, carly fiorina 19, rubio 7, ben carson four, the rest not doing too good. then drudge, we love drudge. we love drudge. donald trump 51%. we had a total of 668,000 votes
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cast. trump 668,000, think of it, 51%, second fiorina, much less, rubio, cruise, i won't mention the next name because i don't like him much and "news max" way up ahead. i like it, too. donald trump first place by a lot. the street, the street donald trump 52%. that's a lot when you have all of these guys. that's a lot. it's not against two people. it's against -- donald trump 5 2% and then slate and that's also donald trump. so we had a great time. >> well from there he took questions, the first one is getting comments tonight. take a look. >> so i'm really honored by the crowd and we're going to have some fun now because instead of
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making the speech, which i've been doing over and over and over. i want to take questions. don't we like that? right? okay. all right. let's start with this group right over here. come on. okay. this man. i like this guy. >> amen, okay, we have a problem in this country, it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. >> right. >> you know he's in the even an american, birth certificate, man, but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> uh-huh. >> that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> we'll look at a lot of different things and a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying bad things are happening out there. we'll be looking at that and plenty of other things. >> so i have a question about the trump wall. when it comes to paying off a debt -- >> trump wall? see, that's what is going to happen. >> hey -- [ applause ] >> that's why i'm going to make this wall so beautiful because
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when i'm gone, they are going to probably change the name to the trump wall. i've got to make it beautiful. big, big and powerful and beautiful. go ahead. tell me -- by the way, he said trump wall, i didn't. >> carly fiorina, i watched your debate yesterday. she put our company in the ground. >> carly fiorina, what? say it again. people might as well hear it. people have to learn. i thought i'd wait a couple days before i expose her business failure but honestly, so ridiculous. go ahead and tell me. >> our stock, i invested in my stock and worked for the company for 37 yea years. >> lusent. >> headed by who? >> carly. >> that was before hewlett packard. how many people here believe in global warming? who believes in global warming?
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who believes in global warming? raise your hand. wow. not much, huh? do you have your hand up? a little? no? no. nobody? one person? >> well, sir -- >> well, that's a very interesting -- >> you believe, right? you believe? >> donald trump tonight in new hampshire. sarah murray is at the event and joins us now. sarah, i'm kind of amazed that the first guy who stands up sames that the problem in this country is muslims and donald trump doesn't say anything about that to him. did anybody bat an eye at that? >> reporter: it really is incredible, not only saying the problem in america is muslims and president obama is a muslim, which of course, is not true and, you know, i think we're now starting to get our first taste how donald trump responds to
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awkward questions prfrom voters. if you're a traditional presidential candidate and used to town halls, you get questions like this along the way and have to be prepared to deflect them in one way or another. the interesting thing that donald trump is getting criticism for is he didn't really rebut that at all. >> it's not about deflecting. if you're an actual leader and want to lead people in this country and want to be president to all the people in this country, including the muslim population in this country, you don't just pander to every loud mouth in your audience. john mccain got a question like that toward the end of his race i remember and pushed back on someone in the audience. donald trump could have easily said, the problem is not muslims, every muslim person in this country and what are you going to do about them and calling the president a muslim, i mean, it's extraordinary for a guy that claims to be the straight talker that he didn't have the guts to stand up to
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some loud mouth in his own crowd. i mean, i just -- again, this is a guy who constantly is saying that he tells it like it is. he's a straight talker. he's not afraid of anything. he seems to be afraid of contradicting somebody yelling at him in the audience. did anybody seem to care in that crowd? >> reporter: you sort of heard him be like really? this is the first question. that the as far as he went. he didn't counter him any further and i think the crowd just sort of moved on. that was the first question then he got a bunch of others but i have to imagine. we followed him along the rope line and yelled and asked him to respond. he did not. i have to imagine the next interview he does he'll be asked about this and whether he does believe the problem is muslims because like you said, he didn't address or refute. you have to remember that donald trump has a long history of saying bombastic things before running for president. this was the guy who was a big
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birther when it came to president obama's birth certifica certificate. >> of course. >> he's known for saying wild things himself. he's tried not to do that this time around. >> he made claims he sent detectives to hawaii and never backed up the claims and he's yet to show any documentation on any of that. i mean, no evidence he actually did send detectives to investigate president obama's birth certificate. sarah murray, appreciate the reporting. partisan and nonpartisan alike. amanda carpenter for senator ted cruz and with this trump supporter, andy dean got a start on "the apprentice" and president of donald trump's media company trump productions and david. andy, let me start with you. does it surprise you that donald trump who, you know, calls himself a straight talker doesn't standup to somebody in
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his audience who says the problem in america is muslims in america? >> look, look, donald opened it up to questions and the first guy who asked a question seemed crazy and donald laughed it off and quickly moved to the next question. the idea donald trump, the beauty of america is people can say whatever they want and may be crazy and may not agree. but the idea donald has to correct every person on every issue isn't realistic. so that's just not realistic. >> amanda is that not realistic? >> here is the thing, there is no way donald trump can tell questioners they are wrong because those are the thoughts he's cultivating over the past four or five years like sarah murray pointed out, he's the most high-profiler birther that's been. i remember the rise of the tea party and some of us were so embarrassed that donald trump was preaching to this audience and making them more vocal because we didn't feel like that was the focus. i mean, he was repeatedly
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questioning president obama's birthplace and i can't imagine that we would go into the next presidential election still relit dwating thigating that pa fight. >> david, have you, is it the responsibility of a leader to actually say something? >> it's the responsibility of a leader to push back against prejudice. that question was heavily lined with precedence. we had president obama have continually tried to help people understand that muslims are not a problem in america, there are some who are trying to bring terror, but he should have pushed back and made it very clear that he's proud to have the muslims in this country. many of them are great americans and if there are people out there who want to do us ill, we'll take care of them. he did not make the distinctions and anderson, the presidency of the united states is not only
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the most powerful position in the world but carries a certain moral responsibility toward the health of a society and if you're going to be a serious candidate for president, you have to step up that that responsibility. >> we got to take a quick break. we'll continue the conversation. next, you heard donald trump take shot after shot at carly fiorina and people got their first impression of her, big one by reaction she's getting. answers to questions that voters may have about her roots, political background and business leader she was or wasn't.
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before the break a raw moment at donald trump's town hall and he opened it up to questions. here is the first question he got. >> amen, okay, we have a problem in this country. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. you know he's not even an american. >> we need this question? this is the first question? >> but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> uh-huh. >> that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> we'll look at a lot of different things and a lot of people are saying bad things are happening out there. we'll look at that and plenty of
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other things. >> so again, andy, you're a trump supporter. he didn't just deflect it but said he'll look at that, we'll look at the muslims in america and a lot of people are saying that so we'll look because a lot of people are saying there are bad things happening. is that really straight talk? >> that's not accurate, at all. >> what's not accurate? >> well, it's not accurate that he'll said we'll look at muslims. >> he said we'll be looking at that. >> he said we're going to be looking at that, potential training camps which you may laugh it up but there are potential reports of muslim radicals -- >> i spent more time overseas than you have in your little life. >> how would you know my past, anderson? >> how much time have you spent overseas? >> plenty of time overseas. we can compare passports. >> great, how much time did you spend in the muslim word? >> not much in the muslim world. >> how many times you've been to iraq and afghanistan? >> anderson, what is your point
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here? he's concerned about radical islam. you laugh it off -- >> the question. i'm not laughing it off. i'm appalled, i'm appalled the question is about muslims in america. so are you saying -- >> donald trump -- >> -- muslims in america is the problem? >> nobody is saying that. >> the guy in the audience and donald trump said he'll look into that. >> anderson, can i have a moment? there is a lunatic in the audience and donald trump laughed off the crazy person. donald trump does not believe president obama is a muslim. muslim radicals are a serious problem. >> wait a second. let's go back for a moment, if you would, please. the guy, the so-called lunatic i should call him stood up and said we have a problem in this country called muslims. he went into the birth argument that we have a president who is a muslim. and that is when donald trump said we need this question. he wasn't talking, the question hadn't reached the training
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camps. trump said we need this question and the question, there are two parts, one is birther and the other is we got a problem in this country called muslims and he then went on after the guy talked about training camps and went on -- >> andy, you can't tell me the guy you wish -- >> anderson, i'll tell you why people don't trust the media. you and david took one guy and micro analyzing. look at donald laugh. >> amen, okay. we have a problem in this country it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. you know he is not even an american. >> we need this question. this is the first question. [ laughter ] >> but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> uh-huh. >> that's my question, when can we get rid of them? >> we'll look at a lot of different things and a lot of people are saying that and are saying bad things are happening out there. we'll look at that and plenty of
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other things. >> so, yes, i see what you're saying -- >> training camps. >> he said like we need this question like this really needs to be the first question, this is going to get me in trouble. >> thank you. >> he could have said, you know what? muslims in america are not the problem. there are some muslims they may be a problem and we obviously need to investigate that and those people need to be held responsible but by in large the muslim population in america is well-assimilated and americans like anybody else and in fact, we're supporting muslim regimes around the world and have soldiers and marines that fought and died to help muslims around the world. these terrorists are killing more muslims than any other group around. he could have said all of that and that's kind of i would think, i'm imagining he wishes he probably said that, don't you? >> look, anderson, any time you micro analyze one question, he could go back and say things more delicately and more politically correct. i don't think trump would
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disagree with what you're saying, the problem is muslim radical lizcialism and not musl. nobody is disputing that but to micro analyze and be dishonest with the audience because some li lunatic is not fair. >> there are days that show donald trump is wildly beyond his depth. he went on a huge battle promising a national security speech and did not deliver the goods. last night a debate and every time issues got stub stantive, he went quiet. he is getting questioned by a person and gave into the questions and did not push back at all. he is outside the reality tv show complex at this point and it's showing. >> david, the american people disagree with you. >> the question is long-term
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what is going to happen and can he be president of all of the united states if he doesn't stand up for muslims in the united states? >> he can't be president if you insult -- president of all the people if you insult women, latinos, insult muslims, it's very hard to be a president and i would say, andy, look, i happened to like donald trump. >> look, i enjoy talking to him, i like him. he's charming. >> this is a man who could become president of the united states and we desperately need a president who isfe effective bu we need a person that steps up to the standards expected and that's what we're asking. it's not enough to say well you're micro analyzing. anybody that listened to that question would be deeply offended by the person that stood up and asked and if mr. trump wants to win. he can't win by rallying people
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like that. >> let me argue andy's point for a minute and get you your feedback on this because let me play devil's advocate. donald trump has not been in this position before and not a practiced politician and not used to playing this. this is problem the first time he had a guy jump up and say something like that. he was probably caught off guard and be held to the same standard that a practiced politician like john mccain was able to push back. >> when has donald trump earlier, he didn't push back because agrees with the premise of the question and barack obama. donald trump is a birther. that's how we got to know him and in the era of obama. he can't push back on the
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questio question. >> the issue dropped period. >> that's amazing, actually. >> can talk about that. there is this john mccain moment. >> i can't trust obama. i have read about him and he's not, he's a -- he's an arab. he is not -- >> no, ma'am. >> he's not? >> no, ma'am. he's a descent family-man citizen that i have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. he's not. thank you. >> i'm guessing donald trump is going to at some point whether on twitter or what not, come back and say not apologize for
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whatever but say, you know what? muslims are great americans, i love muslims something like that. >> he'll walk it back. >> he does love muslims. >> andy, i was rude to you and i shouldn't have been and i'm sorry -- >> i'm used to it. don't worry. >> well, i'm not used to being rude and i shouldn't have -- i was rude to you so i am apologize g apologizing for you. >> it's all good. >> good discussion. up next, remember the big battleship fundraiser that donald trump spoke about. a veteran's group charged $1,000 a person and tonight, who is the group, are they what they claim to be and where is the money going to go? you might be surprised. we're keeping them honest tonight.
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donald trump has made much commitment to fighting men and women and the last event was at a campaign rally aboard uss iowa sponsored by a group that raised as much as $1,000 a person from his appearance.
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as much as $1,000 a person for what and for whom is the money for instance going to veterans or programs to help veterans or to a group of effective advocates for veterans? drew griffin tonight keeping them honest. >> reporter: the event was as powerful as the guns he stood under, donald trump there to pick up the endorsement of veterans for a strong america, a group to thing in the news release as having more than half a million supporters across the u.s. >> an endorsement from your group with so many veterans, hundreds of thousands of veterans, i really appreciate that. >> reporter: but seems donald trump and his campaign didn't bother to check on any of this and wound up getting a fundraising speech for a group that has lost its tax exempt status and shows scant evidence of the 500,000 supporters it to thes. joel aaron's is the public face of the group.
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>> i've known joel for a long time. joel aaron's was a poll lpoliti expert in the area. before iran he was my personal lawyer and he was a friend. >> reporter: we'll tell you about dr. annette bosworth and her claims about troubles with joel aaron's in a moment but first, a bit more about veterans for a strong america and erin's who somehow convinced donald trump to come to this fundraiser tuesday night. >> i came because politicians are not listening to the s veterans. >> reporter: he charged between $100 and $1,000 per person for the event. the group does not have a good track record of disclosing where its money goes. a quick check with the irs finds the set trains for strong america lost the tax exempt status last may for failing to file require reports. here is the document from the irs that shows the group is
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appealing. the latest filing with the federal election commission shows the organization is also flat broke, just $30 in the bank and has $318 in debts. after calls and e-mails unanswered, cnn was contacted by a finance attorney just hired by aaron's to sort things out but as of now will have no comment until the pafactual information will be gathered. the trump organization didn't know anything about this now until after the event. he never met joel aaron's until tuesday night and didn't take a penny and treated it like any other invitation to give a speech on the campaign. that brings us back to dr. annette bosworth stunned to see her old friend on tv tuesday night with donald trump.
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in 2014 most worbosworth was a republican candidate for the u.s. senate and needed signatures to get on the ballot. there are rules about that, election requirements this political newbie says she turned to her campaign lawyer for advice. that lawyer was joel aaron's, she testified advised her she could sign off on petitions even if she didn't personally witness every single signature on them. >> joel was my friend. i trusted him. when he said you can sign it, i was sure he knew the rules. i have an incredibly humiliating experience for my family and i have the lose of my medical license, and what happened to joel from the moment he knew that there was trouble, he went out and did a fundraiser for my opponent. i mean, really? >> reporter: the jury didn't buy it. dr. annette bosworth lost in the primary, was convicted of
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committing election fraud as well as perjury. she's serving three years probation on a suspended sentence of 24 years and lost her medical license. her lawyer she says didn't miss a beat. >> please help me welcome mr. donald j trump. >> drew, assuming money was raised tuesday night, do we know how much or where it went? >> aaron's could have taken in $850,000 by our kcalculations. they don't have a good track record. >> and whatever is raised, do we know where it would go to? does it go to charity? sounds like it's a veteran's charity? >> it is not a charity. as far as we can tell, it's a political action group and just about an hour ago, in fact, we received a statement from the group saying they are advocates for improving and providing
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legal advocating and missile defense system. it's all over the map and the group says the event was held in full compliance of the law and i'll show you the veterans for a strong america will continue to be all volunteer organization, no employees, no salary for compensation other than for the usual and routine expenses. anderson? >> drew, appreciate the reporting. people are saying carly fiorina did very well last night in her debate. her career at hewlett packard came up a lot. how did she get from the corner office? it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping. ♪
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as we said, carly fiorina made a big impression for many people. her grand slam moment perhaps may have been this one. >> ms. fiorina, in an interview last week donald trump said the following about you quote, look at that face would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that the face of
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our next president? mr. trump later said he was talking about your persona, not your appearance. respond when you think about his per percy that. >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think, she's got a beautiful face and she's a beautiful woman. >> moments like that gold names. fiorina said she went last night probably knowing half of the people didn't know her or know she was running for president.
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they heard about her ten europe -- tenure as a ceo. >> reporter: outspoken and tough by all accounts, carly fiorina has friends and enemies in high places. >> you ran up mountains of debt as well as losses using other people's money and forced to file for bankruptcy not once, not twice, four times. a record four times. why should we trust you to manage the finances of this nation than your casinos? >> reporter: her most glaring weakness lies in two letters, h.p. she made big headlines named the first ceo female at that tech giant in 1999 but headlines bigger when she over saw the purchase of compact and h.p. went into a tail spin and laying off 30,000 workers. >> the company is a disaster and continues to be a disaster. they still haven't recovered.
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>> reporter: by 2005, fiorina was publicly and painfully fired. she told "60 minutes" about it. >> it's almost as if they meant to take you down a peg or two. >> if that was their intent they succeeded in that. >> reporter: for wall street, it wasn't personal it was business. when she was fired, h.p. stock rose 7% and the assessment is blunt, the run as ceo wasn't all that great. >> keep up, ladies. [ laughter ] >> we're not walking fast enough, are we? >> reporter: fiorina pushed on advising john mccain's presidential bit, running for senate in 2010 giving us the famous demon sheep ad and insulted barbara boxer on air. >> said what everyone says, god, what is that hair?
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[ laughter ] >> so yesterday. you didn't -- >> the democrat responded by walloping fiorina in the final vote. life hit fiorina, too. twice married underwent a mastectomy during the senate losing campaign and that same year lost her stepdaughter lawyer re. >> drug addiction is an epidemic and taking too many of our young people. i know this sadly from personal experience. >> industry analysts broadly agree fiorina made big mistakes and even as her fans argue against that, they also suggest all the ups and downs have left their candidate ready for everything the campaign and the presidency can fling at her. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. i want to bring in our panel, gloria borger and dana bash and
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carly fiorina, when donald trump is going after her record said look, the tech bubble happened, she's a victim of circumstances that ultimately the deal with compact turned out to be a good one. >> that's not true. the deal with compact was a disaster. profits went down by the time she left. almost everything connected to the compact merger has either been shuttered or sold and they got in the wrong business. she pushed for it hard and alienated a lot of people. fortune magazine was right. she was not a good ceo and walked away with $100 million and stock price lower than when she da came and profits lower. it's astonishing really. >> was she sort of targeted people in the company? >> she was widely disliked within the company. one thing i noticed with her in debates is she's looser than she was and much more scripted than
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and never went off message. she was almost robotic at times and demanded total and complete loyalty and didn't want anybody to descent from her and pushed out executives, especially compact executives. she didn't have support underneath. so when the board got mad and decided she had to go, she didn't have any, she just didn't have any support. >> gloria, when it came to handling donald trump's comments about her face, foreign policy and connecting with viewers, do you think fiorina stood out? >> i do. i mean, she -- when he sort of tried to say afterwards, oh, you know what? i think she has a beautiful face to lots of women seem pate ne patriotizing, she stood there and knew she wasn't forgiving him and you knew she thought it was ridiculous but as far as i'm
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concerned, the fewer words the better in that situation and i think she knew that and i think women knew that. >> dana, do you see her performance as a game changer for her campaign? will it translate to poll numbers fundraising? >> i mean, look, it's hard to see it not given the fact that 23 million people saw her and that can only help with those who saw her and liked what they saw and, you know, that's probably going to be considerable in the republican field when it comes to fundraising. part of the reason the fiorina field and campaign they feel that they haven't been able to get traction is because she's not a household name. she's not very well-known. especially within the republican kind of the donor close and so forth even though she's been a former ceo but people used giving to republicans and very much hoping this changes it. it did change the last time for her, the last time she did well
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at the first debate she was the under card and because she performed so well that allowed her to come to the main stage this time but i have to say listening to the description of her as somebody who was kind of tough and so forth, it's no wonder she was the way she was yesterday. i was watching her on that stage and she did not crack. she was sort of stone faced as gloria said the entire time. even when there were some looser moments, she didn't participate 'tis pate. she felt like she had to be the straight man. >> it's interesting. this is not the first time her business record in a political race has come up. barbara boxer ran brutal commercials against her that were very effective. you can imagine democrats doing the same thing if in fact she becomes the nominee. >> and there it will revolve around two things. democrats won't really go after her for a compact merger but two things. >> layoffs. >> layoffs and made a boat load of money for an unsuccessful
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run. those are two things they are focused on. >> i think the commercial that i remember was focussing on the layoffs and got this money and bought a yacht and went off into the sunset. >> that's going to be red meat for the democrats. it's worth pointing out just for the record by the way, that donald trump's business record isn't that grout. she's right about bankruptcies. >> not personal bankruptcy but business. >> and he basically runs a company where he licenses names and doesn't build anything anymore. >> he gets a lot of money from licensing his name to buildings and projects, joe, good to have you on the program. >> thanks. >> dana bash, gloria berger, as well. what the candidates said without uttering a single word, every head tilt and grimace and style and body language expert translates it for us tonight.
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i'god blessed and teeming with citpeople of all kinds...e. living in harmony and peace. trump: they're bringing crime. they're rapists. if i am elected they're... going to be out of there day one. reporter: do you think birth right citizenship should be ended? walker: yeah, absolutely. cruz: i think we should end birth right citizenship trump: i will build a great, great wall... in my mind it was a tall proud city built of... rocks stronger than oceans. and if there had to be city walls... the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. that's how i saw it and see it still.
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volumes. today nick morgan a body language expert that coaches executives and politicians sat down to translate some of what we saw last night. >> a big moment during this debate regarding what donald trump said to rolling stone magazine about carly fiorina, her looks slash persona, listen. >> women all over this country heard clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> he's saying there you go, i made my apology and she's saying with the percented lips and shut eyes, i'm not buying it. she's signaling her disapproval but in a very subtle way. >> donald trump's body language is the opposite. the complete opposite of so. >> he said he wouldn't want quote such a hot head with his finger on the nuclear codes. you, as well, raised concerns about -- >> casino gambling in florida. >> yes, you did.
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>> donald trump, his arms, his face, he makes so many faces in these debates, i would think you would coach people not to do stuff like that. >> the standard wisdom not political world, you're dignified and look presidential and don't make faces like that but trump makes it work and i think the reason it's working is because he's coming across as authentic. what you see is what you get. >> this confrontation between trump and jeb bush is sure quite remarkable for you to watch and our viewers. >> i was a businessman, i got along with clinton, everybody. was that my job to get along with people. >> the simple fact is -- >> excuse me, one second. >> jeb -- >> you cannot take -- >> more energy tonight, i like that. >> the relationship between this man and this man during this time, the faces they are each making told you a lot, didn't it? >> yeah, there are so many things going on. so trump is still rising above
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the situation in the sense that he feels free to comment on mr. bush's energy while this exchange is going on. what he should have done is first of all, get genuinely angry, more powerfully angry. he gives a fake smile which is what people do who are uncomfortable with anger. >> you remember the rebel? do you remember the firefighter with his arms around it? he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> tv sound down, you could see his face looks angry. was that natural, effective for jeb bush? >> i think this is one of mr. bush's good moments. he finally gets angry and i guess it took dising his brother to make him angry. >> you thought marco rubio was stronger in this debate? >> you better be able to lead our country on the first day. >> he's doing two of the four facial gestures. raising eyebrows and opening eyes and that's difficult to do with a bright light shining in
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your eyes on tv. >> a lot of us from new jersey are out going, we're out there. okay? chris christie is one of them. >> i'm as entertained as anyone by this personal back and forth about the history of donald and carly's career. i got to tell you the truth, they could careless about their careers. >> when someone focuses emotion with anger or happiness, we pay attention. we're paying attention to christie with lowered eyebrows. >> who did the best in the second debate? >> in terms of body language alone, rubio, fiorina and christie had strongest performances. i think trump held his own. ahead, new reaction to the anti muslim question donald trump received. that and much more when we continue.
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9:00 p.m. here, it happened right after he took a victory lap for cnn's debate. >> we had a little thing called a debate at the regan library, and it was, it was sort of an amazing thing. we had an incredible time. >> we love you trump! >> thank you. thank you. [ applause ] >> that was some evening. i got such great remarks. look at this. we just wrote this down. "time magazine" did votes who won last night. "time magazine." 114,000 votes as of 6:00 p.m., trump 56. [ cheers ] >> carly fiorina 19, rubio seven, ben carson four, the rest not